Trumpet valve oil household substitute (will 3-in-1 household oil work)?

[sam bruno]

School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.

It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.

Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.

The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs

That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school

Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?

BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

[w***@detroit.usa.com]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF =http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Don't use 3-in-1 oil for the trumpet valves, its to thick and they
will rise slowly. You need a very light oil, very thin. Have any hair
clipper oil?
If the child dosen't need to practice b4 going back to school, it's
probably easiest to wait untill band class and borrow from another.

[Tony Hwang]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Hi,
I am a bass player al y life. Use WD-40 to loosen up the pistons(;et
WD40 sip down)
And I use Blue Juice for lube. When I don't play for long term. I pull
all the pistons out. Good luck.

[Angelica]

replying to Tony Hwang, Angelica wrote:
umm.... WD-40 will destroy your horn.. i wouldnt use that if i where you


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[Adam Barrow]

replying to Tony Hwang, Adam Barrow wrote:
WD 40 will actually corrode the metal in the instrument.

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[Mark Slater]

replying to Adam Barrow, Mark Slater wrote:
WD-40 is an anti-corrosive.
the only thing it's not good for is the lauqer that makes you instrument shiny.
Know what is corrosive? Water.


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[Lysa Baldwin]

replying to Tony Hwang, Lysa Baldwin wrote:
Don't use wd-40 that messes them up in a trumpet player

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[Trumpets101]

replying to Tony Hwang, Trumpets101 wrote:
Don’t use WD40. It will corrode the silver in your instrument and cause a
lot of damage.

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[No not WD-40]

No dude not wd-40 that's how u get sick, sure it would work, but it's not worth your healt

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

A few drops of dishsoap in pure water.
Palmolive.

[t***@gmail.com]

The dishsoap with water totally worked thanks! I used dawn

[Mark Slater]

replying to clare, Mark Slater wrote:
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!
Dish soap DESTROYS oil!!!!!
It's possibly the worst thing you can put in there!!!

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[zxcvbob]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

If they are stuck, use a penetrating oil like WD-40. Then pull them out
and clean them.

Then I'd probably use baby oil for lube. But 3-in-1 oil is fine too.

-Bob

[notbob]

Post by zxcvbob
If they are stuck, use a penetrating oil like WD-40. Then pull them out
and clean them.
Then I'd probably use baby oil for lube. But 3-in-1 oil is fine too.

All these threads for all these years and ppl are still claiming wd40
is an oil. Now it's a penetrating oil! Shame on you, Bob. Also,
baby oil (mineral) and 3-in-1 are not light oils.

TO OP: What!? You can post on usenet but can't buy some valve oil
online? GTFOH!!

nb

[Stormin Mormon]

Young's Law of usenet: After Nazis have been
evoked and called forth from the spirit world,
someone is sure to mention WD-40. The debate
"is it a lubricant or water displacer" is not complete
until someone explains what the letters abbrev. for.
Points are earned by quoting usenet posters of old,
Aristotle, or your own personal experiences with
WD-40. Web pages abound, and are on topic for
the debate. Regardless of how worthy an argument
is, no one is allowed to change sides. The debate
must continue to eternity.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Post by zxcvbob
If they are stuck, use a penetrating oil like WD-40. Then pull them out
and clean them.
Then I'd probably use baby oil for lube. But 3-in-1 oil is fine too.

All these threads for all these years and ppl are still claiming wd40
is an oil. Now it's a penetrating oil! Shame on you, Bob. Also,
baby oil (mineral) and 3-in-1 are not light oils.

TO OP: What!? You can post on usenet but can't buy some valve oil
online? GTFOH!!

nb

[Bob_Villa]

On Jan 8, 4:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Young's Law of usenet: After Nazis have been
evoked and called forth from the spirit world,
someone is sure to mention WD-40. The debate
"is it a lubricant or water displacer" is not complete
until someone explains what the letters abbrev. for.
Points are earned by quoting usenet posters of old,
Aristotle, or your own personal experiences with
WD-40. Web  pages abound, and are on topic for
the debate. Regardless of how worthy an argument
is, no one is allowed to change sides. The debate
must continue to eternity.

The word is "invoke". Silicone in a spray is grease thinned with
solvent.
In a pinch I would use mineral oil.

[Stormin Mormon]

Oh, thanks. I'll try and remember to change that
in my text file.

Christopher A. Young
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On Jan 8, 4:01 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Young's Law of usenet: After Nazis have been
evoked and called forth from the spirit world,
someone is sure to mention WD-40. The debate
"is it a lubricant or water displacer" is not complete
until someone explains what the letters abbrev. for.
Points are earned by quoting usenet posters of old,
Aristotle, or your own personal experiences with
WD-40. Web pages abound, and are on topic for
the debate. Regardless of how worthy an argument
is, no one is allowed to change sides. The debate
must continue to eternity.

The word is "invoke". Silicone in a spray is grease thinned with
solvent.
In a pinch I would use mineral oil.

[zxcvbob]

Post by notbob

Post by zxcvbob
If they are stuck, use a penetrating oil like WD-40. Then pull them out
and clean them.
Then I'd probably use baby oil for lube. But 3-in-1 oil is fine too.

All these threads for all these years and ppl are still claiming wd40
is an oil. Now it's a penetrating oil! Shame on you, Bob. Also,
baby oil (mineral) and 3-in-1 are not light oils.
TO OP: What!? You can post on usenet but can't buy some valve oil
online? GTFOH!!
nb

I know what WD-40 is. It should work fine to unstick a valve. Then
take it apart and clean the stuff out before it dries.

3-in-1 is a light oil. Lighter than WD-40, but without the solvents.

I did misuse the term "penetrating oil", but it *will* penetrate better
than sewing machine oil (because of the volatile solvents) if they can't
work the valve.

-Bob

[Sydneytbee]

replying to zxcvbob, Sydneytbee wrote:
WD-40 corrodes the nickle in horns (not reccomended)

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[c***@gmail.com]

WD-40 will corrode the metal never use it.....EVER

[p***@gmail.com]

Post by c***@gmail.com
WD-40 will corrode the metal never use it.....EVER

That is not true, WD-40 may effect other things, but it is not a corrosive agent on Nickel. Most likely though there is a polymer coating that the WD-40 reacts with to give the illusion.

[j***@myplace.com]

Post by sam bruno
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Lamp oils is nothing more than kerosene with a scent. Use kerosene or
probably even diesel fuel, which is basically the same as kero just
not as pure.

WD40 should work too, but it evaporates in a short time, but that
should give you time to buy the right stuff.

Or, go to Walmart and buy some silicone lube in a spray can. It's
made for auto and home use, and it stays on the item and is thin.

Dont they have a can of this stuff in school for the kids? What if a
trumpet gets stuck in the middle of the school concert? I'd think
they would have some....

I've never played a trumpet though. I didnt even know they need to be
lubed.

[Stormin Mormon]

Some years ago, I lubed a boy's bicycle chain with the cheap silicone lube
from Walmart. Popular Mechancis brand, in the black can. Shortly after that,
the boy and his family went home out of state. A couple days later, I heard
from his Aunt Agnes (who lives near me), the bike chain locked up. From what
I can guess, the walmart house brand is all solvent, and not much lube. By
that time, the bike was 200 miles away, and I couldn't do anything for him.
We were all very sad.

Snap brand silicone from Advance Auto is more pricey, but works well for me.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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Or, go to Walmart and buy some silicone lube in a spray can. It's
made for auto and home use, and it stays on the item and is thin.

[Michael Dobony]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

I would stick to the mineral oil. Kerosene based products smell and I doubt
they are harmless. WD40 is good for cleaning things up, but dries out
quickly. Sewing machine oil would also be a good substitute.

[Michael Dobony]

Post by Michael Dobony

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

I would stick to the mineral oil. Kerosene based products smell and I doubt
they are harmless. WD40 is good for cleaning things up, but dries out
quickly. Sewing machine oil would also be a good substitute.

Also try posting to alt.audio.pro.live-sound. They are mostly sound techs,
but many are also musicians and can give a better answer.

[Stormin Mormon]

We just had a long thread on electric motor oil. Maybe same for musical
insturment valves, ND-20?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Michael Dobony" <***@stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message news:***@40tude.net...

I would stick to the mineral oil. Kerosene based products smell and I doubt
they are harmless. WD40 is good for cleaning things up, but dries out
quickly. Sewing machine oil would also be a good substitute.

[a***@uci.edu]

Post by Michael Dobony

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

I would stick to the mineral oil. Kerosene based products smell and I doubt
they are harmless. WD40 is good for cleaning things up, but dries out
quickly. Sewing machine oil would also be a good substitute.

mineral oil is too viscous and makes the valves move slowly

[Thiophilus]

If the valves are stuck, you should probably bring the instrument in
to a pro for service. If you want to try loosening them yourself,
maybe WD40 will work, but it might take a long time to penetrate, or
might not work at all, or might affect the finish.

But maybe by "stuck" you don't mean stuck, but slow. Then a low
viscosity oil might work as a temporary substitute for valve oil.

Severely hydrotreated sounds horrible? LOL. What about dihydrogen
oxide, would you drink it?

Your gasoline is also severely hydrotreated. This treatment removes
unsaturated compounds, smelly stuff and other pollutants.

Naphtha, not naptha.

Post by a***@uci.edu

Post by Michael Dobony

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

I would stick to the mineral oil. Kerosene based products smell and I doubt
they are harmless. WD40 is good for cleaning things up, but dries out
quickly. Sewing machine oil would also be a good substitute.

mineral oil is too viscous and makes the valves move slowly

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[Joe keane]

Anything can be fixed with duct tape or WD-40.

[notbob]

Post by Joe keane
Anything can be fixed with duct tape or WD-40.

Yet another cretin. GTFOH!

nb

[JIMMIE]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF =http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Absolutely NO . The closest thing to trumpet oil is probably kerosene.
But I wouldnt reccomend that either. I have used a little diswashing
detergent and water in a pinch. Unless he absolutely needs it before
school I wouldnt do anything . Wait till he gets to school and borrow
some.

Jimmie

[Stormin Mormon]

Since the valves are sticking, probably better to take it in, let the
teacher deal with it. The teacher will have better chance of fixing, and not
breaking some thing.

I remember being in 4th grade, and my teacher Mr. Orgar, telling horror
stories of fixes at home.

Christopher A. Young
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Absolutely NO . The closest thing to trumpet oil is probably kerosene.
But I wouldnt reccomend that either. I have used a little diswashing
detergent and water in a pinch. Unless he absolutely needs it before
school I wouldnt do anything . Wait till he gets to school and borrow
some.

Jimmie

[sam bruno]

Post by Stormin Mormon
Since the valves are sticking, probably better to take it in, let the
teacher deal with it.

To give an update on Monday morning, after dropping the kid off at school
on my way to work (they haven't invented buses yet in California), I ended
up running an unexpected experiment using your advice.

First, I went to the store to get the glycerin. It was immediately clear on
the first (of three) valves that it was just too thick and gooey. It worked
(the valve is now free) but my kid said it rises too slowly to play
properly.

For the middle valve, I put the all-in-one oil. It penetrated well enough
to free the valve without a big tussle, but, it too was way too thick in
the end for the valve rises slowly.

On the first valve, I simply took your suggestions to heart, and used the
gree dish detergent. It worked to free up the valve (with warm water) but
it wouldn't rise without force.

So, I brought it in to the school with a note to the music teacher
describing what I've done and where we were. I guess I'll find out when the
wife picks up the kids this afternoon (did I say California hasn't invented
the yellow school bus yet?)

Hopefully the teacher's note back won't be too scathingly hot! :)

[TimR]

I've used WD40 on a trumpet and it worked fine, at least for a one
hour practise session. I have no idea how it would do long term.
Valve oil is pretty cheap at any music store.

That's for the valves. Don't forget there are slides, probably four
of them, and they all have to work to play in tune. I use lanolin on
these, probably vaseline works too.

Don't put oil on a chain. Use wax, there is a special wax from the
bike stores that is much better. Airgun shooters put it on their
pellets.

[Stormin Mormon]

I never even thought of wax. Makes sense.

Christopher A. Young
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Don't put oil on a chain. Use wax, there is a special wax from the
bike stores that is much better. Airgun shooters put it on their
pellets.

[c***@snyder.on.ca]

Post by sam bruno

Post by Stormin Mormon
Since the valves are sticking, probably better to take it in, let the
teacher deal with it.

To give an update on Monday morning, after dropping the kid off at school
on my way to work (they haven't invented buses yet in California), I ended
up running an unexpected experiment using your advice.
First, I went to the store to get the glycerin. It was immediately clear on
the first (of three) valves that it was just too thick and gooey. It worked
(the valve is now free) but my kid said it rises too slowly to play
properly.
For the middle valve, I put the all-in-one oil. It penetrated well enough
to free the valve without a big tussle, but, it too was way too thick in
the end for the valve rises slowly.
On the first valve, I simply took your suggestions to heart, and used the
gree dish detergent. It worked to free up the valve (with warm water) but
it wouldn't rise without force.
So, I brought it in to the school with a note to the music teacher
describing what I've done and where we were. I guess I'll find out when the
wife picks up the kids this afternoon (did I say California hasn't invented
the yellow school bus yet?)
Hopefully the teacher's note back won't be too scathingly hot! :)

Both the Glycerine and the dish soap need to be EXTENSIVELY diluted
with clean water......

[Johnson]

replying to clare, Johnson wrote:
yea you are right. I used the soap diluted in a ton of water and it worked
just as good as valve oil. Have 4th of July Parade today, hopefully it works
for a while

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[Reuben]

replying to Johnson, Reuben wrote:
Can you use CarMax

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[notbob]

Post by sam bruno
wife picks up the kids this afternoon (did I say California hasn't invented
the yellow school bus yet?)

Yes, but you forgot to mention the fact yer a moron.

Post by sam bruno
Hopefully the teacher's note back won't be too scathingly hot! :)

Hopefully, the music teacher will not confiscate yer kid's horn cuz
his dad trashed it and kick him outta the band cuz his dad's a moron.

nb

[Stormin Mormon]

Probably cause busses pollute the air, but each parent delivering kids in
the SUV does not.

I'm curious to hear what the teacher uses. My guess is to gently pull the
valves out, clean them in hot water and detergent. The next morning, the
teacher will use 2 drops per piston of trumpet oil, and reassemble. What do
I get if I win?

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Post by Stormin Mormon
Since the valves are sticking, probably better to take it in, let the
teacher deal with it.

To give an update on Monday morning, after dropping the kid off at school
on my way to work (they haven't invented buses yet in California), I ended
up running an unexpected experiment using your advice.

First, I went to the store to get the glycerin. It was immediately clear on
the first (of three) valves that it was just too thick and gooey. It worked
(the valve is now free) but my kid said it rises too slowly to play
properly.

For the middle valve, I put the all-in-one oil. It penetrated well enough
to free the valve without a big tussle, but, it too was way too thick in
the end for the valve rises slowly.

On the first valve, I simply took your suggestions to heart, and used the
gree dish detergent. It worked to free up the valve (with warm water) but
it wouldn't rise without force.

So, I brought it in to the school with a note to the music teacher
describing what I've done and where we were. I guess I'll find out when the
wife picks up the kids this afternoon (did I say California hasn't invented
the yellow school bus yet?)

Hopefully the teacher's note back won't be too scathingly hot! :)

[JIMMIE]

On Jan 9, 10:04 pm, "Stormin Mormon"

Post by Stormin Mormon
Probably cause busses pollute the air, but each parent delivering kids in
the SUV does not.
I'm curious to hear what the teacher uses. My guess is to gently pull the
valves out, clean them in hot water and detergent. The next morning, the
teacher will use 2 drops per piston of trumpet oil, and reassemble. What do
I get if I win?
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
 www.lds.org
.

Post by Stormin Mormon
Since the valves are sticking, probably better to take it in, let the
teacher deal with it.

To give an update on Monday morning, after dropping the kid off at school
on my way to work (they haven't invented buses yet in California), I ended
up running an unexpected experiment using your advice.
First, I went to the store to get the glycerin. It was immediately clear on
the first (of three) valves that it was just too thick and gooey. It worked
(the valve is now free) but my kid said it rises too slowly to play
properly.
For the middle valve, I put the all-in-one oil. It penetrated well enough
to free the valve without a big tussle, but, it too was way too thick in
the end for the valve rises slowly.
On the first valve, I simply took your suggestions to heart, and used the
gree dish detergent. It worked to free up the valve (with warm water) but
it wouldn't rise without force.
So, I brought it in to the school with a note to the music teacher
describing what I've done and where we were. I guess I'll find out when the
wife picks up the kids this afternoon (did I say California hasn't invented
the yellow school bus yet?)
Hopefully the teacher's note back won't be too scathingly hot! :)

Maybe not, you left out cleaning the valve cylinders. Usually best
accomplish in a sink full of soapy water. There is a good change the
teacher doesn't have the facilities to clean it properly.

Jimmie

[Stormin Mormon]

Ah, yes, also clean inside the little tubes where the plungers go. True, the
school might not provide the music room with a sink and hot water, and the
teacher might not want to go find a sink.

Christopher A. Young
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Maybe not, you left out cleaning the valve cylinders. Usually best
accomplish in a sink full of soapy water. There is a good change the
teacher doesn't have the facilities to clean it properly.

Jimmie

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Post by sam bruno
First, I went to the store to get the glycerin.

You went to the store to get glycerin, but you couldn't pick up some
sewing machine oil while you were there???

I know you said the music store was closed, but what about the one in
the next town over? There's a music store in every little bum-f town
in America.

You know, if your kid actually PRACTICED and maintained the damn thing
like he is supposed to, the valves wouldn't have seized up.

[Arthur Shapiro]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place.

Don't have anything to add, but I played French Horn as a kid in the 50's. I
still have half a bottle of valve oil sitting on the shelf. (I hate to throw
stuff out.) For those who don't know about this stuff, it's amazingly thin; I
think it makes water look viscous.

Art

[HeyBub]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves
are stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not
being a musician) what I could use that I had around the house to
lubricate the valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which
googling says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil"
(> 97% with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes
to school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works
(which I can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go
farther, I wonder if anyone here has advice for an easily found
substitute for trumpet oil on a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store
chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or
are most of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil)
exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Use anything that's handy (nose lube, chicken fat, axle grease, etc.). When
you can get the right stuff, clean out the replacement. Trumpet players know
how to clean their instrument.

[p***@hotmail.com]

We just used to take the valves out, spit on them and put them back. Worked fine. I was playing the same instrument for two years without a problem.

[f***@gmail.com]

School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid&#39;s trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can&#39;t find the valve oil.
It&#39;s not a life-or-death &#39;emergency&#39; - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don&#39;t have &#39;sewing machine oil&#39; at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have &#39;3-in-1 household oil&#39;.
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that &#39;mineral oil&#39; works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use &quot;lamp oil&quot; and &quot;essential oil&quot; in
addition to &quot;scent oil&quot; and &quot;sewing machine oil&quot;. Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

'sewing machine oil' works but is slightly too thick, so your valves will not move too fast.

DIESEL OIL (used instead of gasoline in diesel engines) works well, is very cheap, and I found it used by some professionals and was recommended to me by a workshop specialised in instrument repairing as a very good alternative.
"Lantern oil" is practically the same as Diesel Oil, just smells better (some brands) and costs more.
In case of an emergency, you can use the thin oil delivered in can sprays.

[n***@gmail.com]

Soak the whole thing in a bath of tepid water for a while. Doesn't hurt to moisten everything at the same time. Dry as usual afterwards....

[j***@strong8capital.com]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

Do not not use WD-40 it will corrode the nickel!

[Thiophilus]

Post by sam bruno
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid.

Just wait till you hear about "dihydrogen oxide".

Do you really think you can judge a substance by the sound of its
name?

Have you heard of nicotinic acid? It's a vitamin. They changed its
name to niacin so people wouldn't be afraid of it.

Th

[g***@gmail.com]

Whatever you do DON'T USE WD-40 IT WILL EAT AWAY THE VALVES AND INSTRUMENT BECUASE THEY'RE NICKEL

[p***@mail.com]

Dude I drink dihydrogen monoxide every day, I think I am pretty normal.

[Colton furlong]

replying to sam bruno, Colton furlong wrote:
What kind of essential oil

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[Victor]

replying to sam bruno, Victor wrote:
I haven't played my trumpet for about a year and the valves don't even move
what should I do


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Post by Victor
I haven't played my trumpet for about a year
and the valves don't even move what should I
do

Replying to a poster that has not responded to this thread in 5 years, may never get the intended response. Might be better to start a new thread. Maybe on a musical instrument newsgroup, too.

What would happen if you vented a very light solvent through a warmed (say in the oven on "warm" for a few minutes) trumpet, say some alcohol, with a "paint gun", and tried to cycle the valves on the trumpet? If they started to move, you could loosen and lubricate, and repeat as necessary, until you got full motion.

David A. Smith

[Lysa Baldwin]

replying to sam bruno, Lysa Baldwin wrote:
Omg use baby oil I just tried it and it worked so good i start band I n Monday
too

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[Rissa]

replying to sam bruno, Rissa wrote:
If you have canola oil or any kitchen/baking oil it should work just don't use
it too often in place of actual valve oil

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[Smarty]

replying to sam bruno, Smarty wrote:
You can use baby oil works fine fine only for a short while though good luck.

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[Bill]

I tried duct tape on the valves as you suggested. It works great--they don't rattle or move or anything.

[Marv80205]

replying to sam bruno, Marv80205 wrote:
Charcoal lighter fluid works great. Seriously. I use it for my trumpet.
Charcoal lighter fluid is a high grade kerosene and so is the valve oil you
purchase at the music store. It even smells the same. Plus, it's a whole lot
cheaper per ounce than what you get in those little bottles at the music
store. Just fill your old valve oil bottle with charcoal lighter fluid and
you'll see what I mean.

[m***@gmail.com]

Why so many non-musicians and no trumpet players? - a very small amoutn of clipper oil or sewing machine oil

My son was recently handed his grandfather's trumpet out of the attic. Still plays and the valves work, but it is a bit tarnished. After looking at several Trumpet Maintenance 101 videos and reviews, it appears fairly simple to disassemble the trumpet and soak the brass parts (do not soak the valve pads or springs) in warm water with a small amount of dish soap. Trumpets are wind instruments designed for 'spit' so a little water won't hurt them. Then dry gently, the most important part being not to ding or bend the trumpet.

You will need some pipe cleaners and/or q-tips to get all of the parts clean and a soft cloth that won't scratch the brass.

Brass polish can be used to remove tarnish, I used Brasso as the trumpet was very tarnished after 50 years in a basement and then an attic. There are milder polishes for more frequent use.

Valve oil and valve grease are the best to use and there is no good substitute. The closest would be clipper oil or sewing machine oil but it will have to be wiped clean and replaced with valve oil to get everything back to "FAST."

We've got everything back together now, does anyone have a good substitute for earplugs?

[k***@gmail.com]

As a trombone player, the instrument that the most likely to need lubricants for instrument.
I use "baby oil by Johnson and Johnson"

as a substitute for best sliding performance.

[Alex Chavez]

Post by sam bruno
School starts Monday after a long recess and my kid's trumpet valves are
stuck in place. We can't find the valve oil.
It's not a life-or-death 'emergency' - but it got me thinking (not being a
musician) what I could use that I had around the house to lubricate the
valves.
Unfortunately, I don't have 'sewing machine oil' at home (which googling
says works ok). But I do have '3-in-1 household oil'.
The MSDS says 3-in-1 is "Severely Hydrotreated Heavy Naphthenic Oil" (> 97%
with 2% Naptha). PDF = http://tinyurl.com/6wlw2vs
That sounds horrid. The music store will be closed until the kid goes to
school
Googling some more, I see some people say that 'mineral oil' works (which I
can probably get at a drug store, right?) but before I go farther, I wonder
if anyone here has advice for an easily found substitute for trumpet oil on
a Sunday (i.e., hardware or drug store chemical)?
BTW, this ehow article says to use "lamp oil" and "essential oil" in
addition to "scent oil" and "sewing machine oil". Is it just me or are most
of these oils (with the exception of sewing machine oil) exotic or what?
http://www.ehow.com/how_6201749_homemade-trumpet-valve-oil.html

FYI: I am using the Lucas Fishing Reel Oil 10690. and can find it in this link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0787FH8RL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I hope this helps. It works wonders.